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I'm gonna be in Nepal in July, if anyone's there holla at me!

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my bull friend, i agree with your overall message here. i’ve learned driving a stick, drifting a car, programming, competitive fps games, etc and def in everything that i did that looked “effortless” definitely had a shit ton of effort and pain and suffering needed to get to that point. I do not dispute that.

when I think of wu-wei, i think about it differently though . instead, my experience of actually dissolving my nicotine addiction seemed through wu-wei. when I tried to fight it using willpower and effort, i was never able to quit it. In fact, the harder I tried and the more effortful I put, the more it seemed to not work. I was just fighting myself. Perhaps it was still useful and valuable for me to try so hard until I would realize I can’t do it through effort alone.

At a certain point, I let myself smoke. and the dissatisfaction of it, the not really needing it, and the disgust of it started to creep in (as well as seeing through the root of my cravings and psychological needs was also necessary). what dissolved my addiction was not effort but giving up effort. it was the lack of effort so that awareness can cut through where otherwise the mind would get in the way of the seeing.

today I do not have any effort to not smoke. I am just as indifferent to it as watching a particular color of paint dry. Could be fun or not, but there is no need to do it or not do it - I just don’t care.

imo, anyone who dissolved their addiction without effort really gets wu wei experientially. Many many who did AA have done it too and they attribute it to god’s grace (that’s how it felt to me as well). Like swimming with the flow - of course it’s effortless.

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